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Re: Red eCos: Going, Going, Gone
- From: Jonathan Larmour <jifl at eCosCentric dot com>
- To: Alex Schuilenburg <alexs at ecoscentric dot com>
- Cc: eCos Maintainers <ecos-maintainers at ecos dot sourceware dot org>,DCN <dcn at ecoscentric dot com>
- Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 18:54:04 +0000
- Subject: Re: Red eCos: Going, Going, Gone
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Alex Schuilenburg wrote:
Andrew Lunn wrote:
I presume you are going to submit such a letter?
Yes, just after I finish writing that other letter where another paper
quoted Gary Thomas as one of the three founding members (there were 9)
of eCosCentric, he left eCosCentric in 2002 because we were supposedly
in "financial difficulties" (a neat trick given we were not even trading
at that time), attributing the renaming name of eCos to Gary, and
describing arbitrary former eCos developers as "the original eCos team".
Oh, and Gary still works for Mind - apparently :-)
I won't point you to the article publically as I don't want to give the
article any creditability in this public archive. Gary will probably
guess the paper as they obviously interviewed and misquoted him and will
probably contact him again once I send off that email to confirm my
corrections - in writing.
Well I'd like to go to the fallback option of correcting the SD times
article on the ecos-discuss list, so that it _is_ on the record. If there's
now another article with mistakes in (they will start breeding as one mag
will use the misinformation in other articles as a source), then we can
issue a correction for that at the same time which will look more
This would be from the maintainers not eCosCentric BTW :-). So anything
eCosCentric-y wouldn't be covered in that correction. It's up to
eCosCentric to do that if they want, although they (err... we (oh this is
confusing)) could follow up to such an article themselves of course if they
The corrections for the SDTimes article are:
- The article mistakenly claims that in 1998 Gary Thomas developed the
Embedded Cygnus Operating System (eCos). In fact the idea of eCos started
in 1996 and the original three developers of eCos were Paul Beskeen, Nick
Garnett and Bart Veer. There were between 15 and 18 subsequent members of
the eCos team employed, depending on what roles you include, before Gary
Thomas was employed. The first release of eCos was in December 1997, the
first public release being in November 1998. The name of eCos was decided
upon by the Cygnus Solutions marketing department in 1998.
- Red Hat have not transferred ownership of eCos to the FSF. Red Hat have
at this stage only issued a press release stating they intend to do so at
some point in the future. The eCos maintainers have not yet heard more from
Red Hat, and no copyright transfer has to our knowledge taken place, nor do
we know of any plans or schedule for it taking place. The original pre-2002
eCos code is still copyright Red Hat, and code from 2002 to present is
partially copyright Red Hat and additionally copyrighted by eCos maintainers.
- eCos 1.3.1, the final official release from Red Hat, was released in
March 2000, not 2001.
- Red Hat did ramp down eCos sales in February but the team were not laid
off, even though that may have been expected. The majority of the eCos team
continued to be employed by Red Hat until being laid off in May 2002 which
can be confirmed in contemporary press reports. Some team members continued
to work on eCos until August 2002. Mark Salter, also an eCos team member at
that point, is still a Red Hat employee, and is an eCos maintainer. Note
that none of the eCos team were fired; they were laid off.
- eCos 2.0 was released in May 2003, not September.
- In connection with Michael Tiemann's quote that the 17 month delay
between its decision to cease eCos development and donate the code was due
to "a careful effort to remove any parts that were inappropriate for open
source. " I wish to clarify that no such previously unreleased code has
been released by Red Hat since the eCos team's departure, and no code in
eCos is being removed. All code released by the eCos team prior to the
split with Red Hat was, is and remains open source under the eCos license.
This cannot be revoked under the terms of the GNU Public License.
This needs to be clarified as Mr.Tiemann's statement may imply that the
code that people have been using since 2002 up to today has been in some
sort of uncertain legal state, and some of it may be removed. This is untrue.
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